WEBVTT 1 00:03:15.530 --> 00:03:35.160 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Okay, so we'd love to… I'll just do a little recap, because I realized I didn't record for every people who watched the recording. We're looking at different ways that we lead, and what leadership has been modeled to us, so more like harmonized or authoritative leadership. 2 00:03:36.060 --> 00:03:40.710 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): This would be, like, more trauma-informed, you know, in all the ways that we lead. 3 00:03:40.950 --> 00:03:46.239 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And then authoritarian or control-based leadership. 4 00:03:47.010 --> 00:03:49.500 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Uninvolved or checked out. 5 00:03:50.280 --> 00:04:08.670 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And then vague-only or permissive, right? So, again, of course, with any framework, it's way more complex than this, and our nervous system states don't map exactly, of course, but when we know what kind of leadership style we've been raised with. 6 00:04:08.670 --> 00:04:10.739 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): What has been modeled for us. 7 00:04:10.850 --> 00:04:12.330 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And what we… 8 00:04:12.710 --> 00:04:20.539 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): tend to in our best moments, and in our most pressed and challenged moments. It can help us be more trauma-informed. 9 00:04:21.010 --> 00:04:32.550 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And so I just want to open it up for anyone to share any questions or insights. I'm seeing a lot of insights in the chat, which I'll come to in a moment, but I wanted to hear from folks first. 10 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.649 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): I'll speak here, because… 11 00:04:43.440 --> 00:04:49.710 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): I do tend to be authoritative, but I have gotten more and more non-directive and accepting 12 00:04:49.820 --> 00:04:58.749 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): over time because of being more trauma sensitive. So I would say that there are some pieces that are in there in the permissive. 13 00:04:59.370 --> 00:05:03.929 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): Quadrant that are more trauma-informed. 14 00:05:04.230 --> 00:05:11.920 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): And that it's going to depend on the population I'm working with as to what authoritative ends up looking like. 15 00:05:12.460 --> 00:05:13.320 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah. 16 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:18.279 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Thank you for bringing that in, because in a way, right, you can almost… 17 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:27.180 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): see this as porous, with this blending this way, or this blending, like, your… and that's why I kind of, like, harmonized, because 18 00:05:27.400 --> 00:05:30.919 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): You're right, there are absolutely some conditions 19 00:05:31.050 --> 00:05:34.160 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): You know, when I was teaching court-involved youth. 20 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:51.209 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): sometimes I needed to be more clear, right? Not controlling, but clear, right? So it's, like, more this way. And then there are some times when, say, I'm working with survivors, adult survivors of childhood sexual trauma, where I need to be leaning much more heavily on the warmth 21 00:05:51.210 --> 00:06:02.289 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): someone in another context might say, wow, you were kind of permissive, but I know that actually that was harmonized. So this is why it's, like, it's a framework that we can totally problematize. 22 00:06:02.670 --> 00:06:03.820 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And… 23 00:06:05.110 --> 00:06:14.930 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I think I'm not this, but guess what? When I talk in a way, just even my tone, right, when I'm talking right now, and I sound so sure of what I'm saying. 24 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:19.860 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): In some contexts, that's totally control and authority. 25 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:26.080 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And I don't mean it to be, but that is my conditioning. As a daughter of an Indian 26 00:06:26.180 --> 00:06:35.279 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): man. You know what I mean? Like, that is how I… and then going to school and studying Western philosophy, right? I learned to fight. 27 00:06:35.650 --> 00:06:36.880 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): with authority. 28 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:39.939 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): With authoritarianism, essentially. 29 00:06:40.020 --> 00:06:58.460 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And so, yeah, it's… everyone's map of this is gonna look different because of our conditions, and it's gonna change, right? So it's not like any of these get demonized, or like, this is wrong, it's just, what are we pulling on in what moment? Thank you so much for bringing that forward. Yeah, Celine? 30 00:06:58.820 --> 00:07:08.709 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): There is… another piece of that, though, is that it's not just what we're bringing to it, it's also how it's perceived. And someone who has come from an authoritarian background. 31 00:07:08.770 --> 00:07:20.420 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): it may perceive my authoritativeness as being authoritarian, when it's actually… that's not where I'm coming from. But it's close… they have not experienced authoritative. 32 00:07:20.420 --> 00:07:29.800 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): And how I'm being clear, or having boundaries, whatever, might be perceived as authoritarian. 33 00:07:29.980 --> 00:07:31.730 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Totally, yeah. 34 00:07:31.890 --> 00:07:37.449 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): That's so helpful to know, because it can be really tough when you're showing up trying to be this. 35 00:07:37.670 --> 00:07:47.209 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): But, say your students treat you like you're, like, the worst, you know, tyrant, and you're like, wait, I'm trying to be here! 36 00:07:47.370 --> 00:07:53.789 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And that is also really a helpful… it's all… I think it's so helpful to know 37 00:07:54.050 --> 00:07:59.909 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And sometimes you don't really know until you just show up to that learning space, or teaching space, or yoga space. 38 00:08:00.610 --> 00:08:15.869 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): what are the bodies in the room? Like, the people in the room, how have they been exposed or related to power? And often we can assume it's been this, right? It's been very authoritarian, and so they may be reacting to us. 39 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:17.270 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Based on that. 40 00:08:17.880 --> 00:08:22.479 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Anyone else want to speak? 41 00:08:22.770 --> 00:08:24.210 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah, Miriam. 42 00:08:25.740 --> 00:08:33.599 Miriam: Yes, I just thought about, my cycle, because I think during premenstrual, face, I am… 43 00:08:33.780 --> 00:08:36.720 Miriam: Teaching, like, vibe-only teaching. 44 00:08:37.280 --> 00:08:40.239 Miriam: like, go with the flow. 45 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:45.030 Miriam: And not at all, authoritarian. 46 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.910 Miriam: So… yeah, so it really depends on the… 47 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:53.750 Miriam: Day… time of the day, and time of the month. 48 00:08:54.340 --> 00:08:55.230 Miriam: Also. 49 00:08:58.170 --> 00:08:59.090 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah. 50 00:08:59.650 --> 00:09:07.690 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And how powerful is that, you know? To, like, own that? And again, none of these are… are… 51 00:09:09.260 --> 00:09:17.980 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): not to, like, stigmatize any of them, right? Because this vibes… I like vibes forward, personally. 52 00:09:18.030 --> 00:09:31.610 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I like a little clarity, but I do really like vibes when I take classes. So, yeah, I love that. And then naming for people, too. They may… the same person might come to your class through a whole cycle, right? 53 00:09:31.610 --> 00:09:38.169 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Menstrual cycle, yearly cycle, life… and it may be different every time, based on where they are. 54 00:09:38.450 --> 00:09:45.629 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I also want to see, someone said in the chat about using scripts. Yeah, I use scripts. 55 00:09:46.070 --> 00:09:59.199 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I use an outline, and gave you all the outlines that I use. Those are the… when I go teach, like, in the wild, I pull out the scripts inside Yoga Class Curator, and I use those. And… 56 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:10.450 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I also sometimes completely stray away from them, but I have them in front of me, so I have a foundation to work from. And I personally will… my kind of process is all… 57 00:10:11.010 --> 00:10:24.810 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): like, if I know that I want to teach a class focused on swadhyaya, I'll do the practice myself, that morning, or the day before, or even for a week before, or even a month before, depending on the context and how much time I have to prepare. 58 00:10:24.820 --> 00:10:33.190 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I'll be in that energy at very least the morning before, and then I go and teach, and sometimes based on what's in… 59 00:10:33.230 --> 00:10:34.780 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): in the room… 60 00:10:34.850 --> 00:10:44.499 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): what I actually teach is totally not what's on the script, but having the script also helps me as an excess need as well. So just really lifting that up. I don't think… 61 00:10:45.260 --> 00:10:51.909 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): scripting has to mean we're checked out at all. I think it can mean we care, and it's the way that we know we… 62 00:10:52.160 --> 00:10:55.490 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Are more, like, harmonized and trauma-informed. 63 00:10:56.110 --> 00:11:00.230 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): So many things in the chat. Anyone else out loud? 64 00:11:19.940 --> 00:11:27.499 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah, outlining, Celine says, different from scripts, help to know what I want to cover, and basic path scripts are word for word. 65 00:11:27.500 --> 00:11:43.600 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Most people read differently than talking. Yeah, acting classes can help with reading from the heart and soul. And I think for access, some people need both, right? Some people need, like, a general outline, and some people need a full script. For me, just again, access need, I found I couldn't 66 00:11:43.900 --> 00:11:52.050 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): actually, we… I would write out my entire class word for word, because I needed that to feel… have my nervous system feel at ease. 67 00:11:52.150 --> 00:11:53.979 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): But then in the moment. 68 00:11:54.280 --> 00:12:01.149 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): it wasn't as useful as if I took my full script and turned it into a kind of an outline, so… 69 00:12:01.470 --> 00:12:07.259 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Just saying, like, all of that was coming from care, not from, you know, 70 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:20.010 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah, scaffolding for our vibes. Scripting lesson planning is scaffolding for our vibes. And then there's some people here that are like, what are you even talking about? I just show up, I feel what's in my body, I feel what's in the room. 71 00:12:20.010 --> 00:12:29.320 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And my classes are awesome, right? And that's great, and I appreciate you all. I am not you, so I need all the prep. 72 00:12:29.370 --> 00:12:35.910 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And I appreciate, you know, all the different ways that we teach. Karen? 73 00:12:38.130 --> 00:12:49.710 Karen McMillan: I want… I'm going to ask for guidance rather than sharing my perspective, because when I think about whether it's the age of the child or the newness of a student. 74 00:12:50.500 --> 00:12:59.549 Karen McMillan: it's… I know we have the ability to blend, but I don't know if we can maybe talk more about sometimes to make it so people can surrender. 75 00:12:59.660 --> 00:13:02.209 Karen McMillan: Like, I taught little ones who… 76 00:13:02.580 --> 00:13:08.859 Karen McMillan: You know, kid… little bitties need… they feel safer with more control. 77 00:13:09.490 --> 00:13:13.240 Karen McMillan: So, how are we giving that safety? 78 00:13:13.490 --> 00:13:15.330 Karen McMillan: And being in control. 79 00:13:15.740 --> 00:13:22.119 Karen McMillan: But at the same time being harmonized. Is it the tone? Is it… what are we talking about? 80 00:13:23.140 --> 00:13:24.180 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah. 81 00:13:24.570 --> 00:13:30.060 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Well, what do folks think? And maybe some new voices who haven't shared? I love this question. 82 00:13:34.680 --> 00:13:36.110 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah, Catherine. 83 00:13:39.790 --> 00:13:57.140 Katherine Sorensen: Yeah, I think, one thing that I keep coming back to is actually the poles rather than the quadrants, so thinking about it in terms of you've got warmth to coldness, and then you've got, like, basically strictness to permissiveness. And so if you're… 84 00:13:57.570 --> 00:13:58.480 Katherine Sorensen: if you're… 85 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:20.010 Katherine Sorensen: if you're in a situation like you're a machine, Karen, where you do need to exert a little more control over the situation, I think as long as you're holding onto that warmth and coming forward with warmth, you're still in that harmonized space. And yeah, remembering that it's a quadrant that's, like, porous, like Susanna was saying, and not 86 00:14:20.050 --> 00:14:24.840 Katherine Sorensen: You're firmly in one, you're firmly in the other, and there's nothing in between, you know? 87 00:14:25.310 --> 00:14:29.949 Katherine Sorensen: So, I think, yeah, keeping in mind that warmth pull is helpful. 88 00:14:38.630 --> 00:14:39.520 Karen McMillan: Thank you. 89 00:14:39.520 --> 00:14:40.810 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah, Lisa. 90 00:14:41.170 --> 00:14:42.749 Karen McMillan: And it came up for me is… 91 00:14:43.130 --> 00:14:48.259 Karen McMillan: I tend to… I'm coming more into the yoga, but I spent many years with this whole yin and yang. 92 00:14:48.380 --> 00:14:52.679 Karen McMillan: Masculine and feminine, and not being energies, not genders. 93 00:14:52.780 --> 00:15:02.120 Karen McMillan: And so… control… But soft, so that your… yours really helped me. Catherine, the whole concept of warmth. 94 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:06.260 Karen McMillan: Right? Because you can have control, but it doesn't have to be hard. 95 00:15:07.870 --> 00:15:18.780 Karen McMillan: But it does… there's a discipline to, you know, so I'll keep thinking about it more, but what other words come up as I think of being in control, but maybe not aggressive. Being in control, but not aggressive. 96 00:15:19.560 --> 00:15:20.470 Karen McMillan: Thank you. 97 00:15:23.870 --> 00:15:26.019 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Coming to Lisa, and then said, Therese. 98 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:47.690 Lisa E. (she/her): Yeah, I… I think, or I experience myself when I'm grounded, or when I ground myself and my nervous system before the yoga class starts, it's easier for me to stay in this harmonized leadership thing, so, I think that 99 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:54.239 Lisa E. (she/her): the students also, like, they feel how I show up, and… 100 00:15:54.700 --> 00:16:13.620 Lisa E. (she/her): maybe through my voice or my words, when I'm, yeah, when I know what I do, and when I'm grounded in myself and my nervous system, they maybe don't need that much words, because they know that what I'm teaching comes from an authentic place. 101 00:16:14.430 --> 00:16:16.139 Lisa E. (she/her): I don't know if I… yeah. 102 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:21.629 Lisa E. (she/her): some words are missing, because, yeah, my English is not that good, but… 103 00:16:22.780 --> 00:16:25.950 Lisa E. (she/her): I hope you, you, could follow. 104 00:16:26.630 --> 00:16:33.459 Karen McMillan: Yes, yeah, cause… And I forgot the person said before, but it's… I guess it's where we're coming from. 105 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.619 Karen McMillan: You know, so how people receive it is one thing, but what you're saying is where you're coming from. 106 00:16:39.340 --> 00:16:42.390 Karen McMillan: And especially if they know you. 107 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:44.820 Karen McMillan: You receive it. Thank you, Lisa. 108 00:16:48.050 --> 00:16:51.490 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Thank you. Lisa, coming to you, said Cherise. 109 00:16:54.260 --> 00:17:02.350 CydCharise (she/her/noh): Yeah, I think when we talk about control and how I contextualize control as 110 00:17:02.680 --> 00:17:06.070 CydCharise (she/her/noh): A teacher and as a parent is… 111 00:17:06.940 --> 00:17:16.929 CydCharise (she/her/noh): control needs an agent, and it needs also a subject. And so, my kids, or my students. 112 00:17:16.930 --> 00:17:32.080 CydCharise (she/her/noh): are their own agents, and they have control over themselves and their choices, and I, as their parent, or as a teacher, have control over the container that I set, the lesson plan, if it's a lesson, or… 113 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:37.830 CydCharise (she/her/noh): the activity, if I'm parenting, and so that's where I… 114 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.640 CydCharise (she/her/noh): Give the structure and the control. 115 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.830 CydCharise (she/her/noh): But not over them as a person. 116 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:57.900 CydCharise (she/her/noh): And so, I think… for me, that's how I try to harmonize, is like… Always… naming what I'm… 117 00:17:59.020 --> 00:18:02.490 CydCharise (she/her/noh): Taking control over, or agency over. 118 00:18:02.980 --> 00:18:06.189 CydCharise (she/her/noh): I usually preferred the word agency than control. 119 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:07.180 CydCharise (she/her/noh): Awesome. 120 00:18:08.910 --> 00:18:11.530 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I agree, yeah, control feels weird. 121 00:18:13.350 --> 00:18:19.699 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I think I'll change that. And, just, like, appreciating you all for this experiment, because… 122 00:18:20.610 --> 00:18:27.750 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Again, perhaps taking a model that's not quite right, And seeing what in it 123 00:18:28.710 --> 00:18:41.360 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): we want to… or it brings insight, and what we want to completely let go of, including, perhaps, the four quadrants. Like, maybe this is more of a circle or a spiral. 124 00:18:41.480 --> 00:19:00.279 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): But I like agency… honestly, I also think of it as power, right? Like, we… in Embrace Yoga's Roots, and I want to answer this one question about Embrace Yoga's Roots, we talk a lot about power and structural power, and in a classroom and in a yoga space or yoga room. 125 00:19:00.290 --> 00:19:15.079 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): we actually have power over those people who have come in, you know? And in a school setting, we have a lot of power. I had the power to send students, unfortunately, I wish I didn't have this power, but into the school-to-prison pipeline. 126 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:30.549 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And so, pretending I don't have that when I do, I think is part of why some people are like, well, I'm not gonna treat you like a harmonized leader when you can literally, like, send me into prison, you know? Like, that's a mismatch. And… 127 00:19:30.940 --> 00:19:41.589 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): don't act like you're so, you know, like, warm and fuzzy when you can literally completely mess up my life, you know? And if I'm not acknowledging that. 128 00:19:42.030 --> 00:19:49.800 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): it… how can I ever… how can they ever trust me, or have warmth, or fun, you know? So it's… some of it is, like, acknowledging 129 00:19:49.800 --> 00:20:06.390 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And a lot of us here, we teach survivors of trauma, we teach people in recovery, we teach maybe people coming out of prison, you know, prison systems, or court-involved folks, and so there is very real stakes connected to structures of power. 130 00:20:06.410 --> 00:20:15.809 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And so, agency is great. I do think we… and I don't think it's control, but I do think we need to understand and map and track power as well. 131 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:20.780 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And… So, Therese, the thing you said, it's like, at the end of the day. 132 00:20:21.180 --> 00:20:29.440 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah, like, we don't… we can't force our children, or our students, like, I mean, we could, but… 133 00:20:29.790 --> 00:20:41.129 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): we're not… generally not going to exert power in that way, and so then how do we think of, like, owning that power or that agency responsibly? And… 134 00:20:41.300 --> 00:20:51.149 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): as a trauma-informed teacher, leader, or parent, inviting them into their own agency, right? And their own power, and continually reminding and putting that back, because really. 135 00:20:51.890 --> 00:20:57.409 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): once again, problematizing this grid, it's less of a grid, a circle, a spiral, as, like, a 136 00:20:57.780 --> 00:21:07.489 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): 40 model, where it's like, the power is actually in you, you know? And we're just there to help. 137 00:21:07.610 --> 00:21:14.299 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Facilitate a experience of that, a reminder of that, a release of whatever into that. 138 00:21:14.420 --> 00:21:15.810 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): for others. 139 00:21:16.330 --> 00:21:24.229 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): and ourselves, right? Like, it's not just about them only, it's us too, so it's all of this movement. I don't know… 140 00:21:24.620 --> 00:21:36.319 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): This would be really fun, I feel like, to create the yoga version of that graphic. I have no idea. Some of you are, like, super into this stuff and want to work on this. 141 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:48.909 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): With me, that would be awesome. But I do feel like this… that complexity of how healing happens, how power and trauma-informed leadership and 142 00:21:49.510 --> 00:21:51.560 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Liberation, really, happens. 143 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:57.890 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I don't think we have the map of that yet. You know, we do in the text, but not in an image. 144 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:05.300 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Someone asked, I do want to address this one, I think we only got one question. Julietta, correct me if I'm wrong about this. 145 00:22:05.540 --> 00:22:16.379 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I finish the course, do I have to watch all the office hours? Oh, no, no, no. No. No, you don't have to go back and watch those. No. 146 00:22:16.560 --> 00:22:20.530 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): They're really just for… 147 00:22:21.700 --> 00:22:39.930 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): honestly, the reason we record them is, like, if, say, you really wanted to be at this one and you missed it, you could go back and watch… like, it's more timely, time-bound, right? Or you liked the conversation and you want to go back and, like, pull out the journal prompts or look at the scan. So, those are really just there as, like, a record. 148 00:22:40.460 --> 00:22:44.820 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): what I'd love if we did one day… oh my gosh. 149 00:22:45.080 --> 00:22:52.309 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Would be to go through and, like, name the theme, because then, instead of the date, it would be, like, this on this topic. 150 00:22:52.750 --> 00:23:00.570 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): But just being real with you, I don't think that's gonna happen unless we use AI, and I really don't want to use AI for that. 151 00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:09.850 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Or at all, like, for things, when I can avoid it, because it's a lot of work, so I have to only go watch it and, like, pick out what the theme was. 152 00:23:09.950 --> 00:23:24.610 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): But yeah, you do not need to watch, rewatch all the past office hours. They're really just there as a reference for you, not as a, you should do these. They're, like, to support your learning, or for people who 153 00:23:25.190 --> 00:23:27.699 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Just like to revisit, or… yeah. 154 00:23:29.080 --> 00:23:37.299 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I'm gonna close this in a second, but… because I know we're at time, but I just want to kind of land this in… 155 00:23:38.690 --> 00:23:43.369 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): in your body, right? Being aware of… 156 00:23:44.300 --> 00:23:48.499 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): What does it feel like when the center of power and agency 157 00:23:49.050 --> 00:23:57.119 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): is harmonized. Whatever that looks like for you, like, forget this, like, could be, you know, a star, could be squiggles, could be, you know… 158 00:23:58.010 --> 00:24:02.959 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): A cloudburst, or a rainstorm, or lightning, you know, you're… 159 00:24:03.100 --> 00:24:08.550 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): like, harmonized agency leadership power. How does that feel? 160 00:24:09.190 --> 00:24:10.400 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And… 161 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:21.609 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): why I'm asking is because when we move out of that feeling, knowing what's happening, so we can then move back into it. 162 00:24:22.820 --> 00:24:28.639 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): In the ways that help us, like, relate and lead in a more trauma-informed way. 163 00:24:29.350 --> 00:24:32.580 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Yeah. 164 00:24:34.150 --> 00:24:37.959 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And then… I love this. 165 00:24:38.390 --> 00:24:43.630 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): I love… I love all your reflections. Maybe if you want to drop any takeaways. 166 00:24:44.260 --> 00:24:47.180 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): But we'll just close with a… 167 00:24:47.530 --> 00:24:54.310 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): A felt sense of that inner alignment, harmonized inner power, maybe in a… 168 00:24:54.840 --> 00:24:59.269 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Mountain, seat, or standing, or sitting, or lying down. 169 00:25:01.610 --> 00:25:07.660 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): connection to that felt sense. And if it doesn't feel so close right now. 170 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:12.369 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Just gently exploring what might make that more possible for me. 171 00:25:13.130 --> 00:25:19.769 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): What do I need? Maybe it's a nap, maybe it's a drink, maybe, you know, like, water, maybe it's… or tea, maybe it's… 172 00:25:21.110 --> 00:25:22.280 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): A friend. 173 00:25:22.490 --> 00:25:28.049 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): Right? Like… We don't have to do it alone. We're interrelated. 174 00:25:29.110 --> 00:25:36.770 Susanna Barkataki (She/They): And thank you so much for inviting us to unmute and say goodbye, and just, really appreciating each of you. 175 00:25:39.830 --> 00:25:41.640 Louise Brown (She/Her): Thank you, bye! 176 00:25:41.780 --> 00:25:43.210 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): Thank you. Thank you. 177 00:25:43.210 --> 00:25:43.909 Karen O'Lone: Thank you. 178 00:25:43.910 --> 00:25:45.620 Selene Kumin Vega (she/her): Thank you so much. 179 00:25:45.620 --> 00:25:46.699 Laura: It's wonderful. 180 00:25:46.700 --> 00:25:48.390 Emma H. (she/they): Thank you. 181 00:25:50.630 --> 00:25:51.529 Eva (she/her): Thank you.