WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.300 --> 00:00:04.240 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Welcome. Welcome. 2 00:00:09.350 --> 00:00:14.949 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Hmm! So happy to be here with you all. 3 00:00:19.750 --> 00:00:24.140 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): just taking a moment perfect to get presence. 4 00:00:24.470 --> 00:00:27.499 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Scrap some water, maybe a pen or 5 00:00:27.710 --> 00:00:29.440 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): piece of paper. 6 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:33.860 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And what journal, if you would like to 7 00:00:35.350 --> 00:00:36.669 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): take some notes? 8 00:00:43.480 --> 00:00:44.600 Okay. 9 00:00:56.070 --> 00:00:59.740 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so I'm with you today. on 10 00:01:00.340 --> 00:01:04.869 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the months, you know he can land of 11 00:01:05.050 --> 00:01:11.870 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): what is colonized, as I think this is upstate New York at Kropalu Center, leading a retreat 12 00:01:12.340 --> 00:01:14.290 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): called the Yoga of Solidarity. 13 00:01:15.100 --> 00:01:17.669 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and it's been really 14 00:01:17.740 --> 00:01:22.249 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): a lot like a lot. really, a lot of 15 00:01:23.410 --> 00:01:31.030 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): a lot of space to hold. And also like, show me again the importance of the kind of space that we're creating together 16 00:01:31.180 --> 00:01:35.789 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like. Why, it's important that we do the work of 17 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:39.089 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): caring for and and honoring yoga's roots. 18 00:01:39.700 --> 00:01:50.919 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so in a moment. We'll just take a a breath to kind of gather ourselves. 19 00:01:51.020 --> 00:02:08.370 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I also want to ask Juliana, could you? Julian is here, supporting me and and helping out with tech and stuff. Could you drop the the question that we got into the T for me? Not the group chat, but just directly to me. my tech is a little bit 20 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:13.429 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): less expansive than normal because 21 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:41.619 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): of being not white, like hardwired. And then also, there's a storm happening here. So just for full transparency of what's going on, it's been like beautiful weather, and sunny and warm, and there's like a big storm that just came in, and so the power went out. So I'm with you on a backup generator, so naming that if the power goes out all hot spot and come out on my phone. 22 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:50.659 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and if for some reason, you know, we'll we'll troubleshoot if we need to. But right now it's it's pretty solid. So. 23 00:02:51.580 --> 00:02:53.720 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yes, and then 24 00:02:55.190 --> 00:03:00.330 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): welcoming yourself into the space in whatever ways 25 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:04.179 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): whatever ways support you. 26 00:03:09.290 --> 00:03:19.140 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and we'll take some breaths together in maybe lifting your hands up above your head. breathing out, bringing your hands down 27 00:03:20.010 --> 00:03:21.190 right 28 00:03:23.530 --> 00:03:26.890 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and more time like that, or any amount of moving 29 00:03:27.340 --> 00:03:29.459 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): your arms up and away from the earth 30 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.530 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): in hell, maybe gazing up, exhale. Come down 31 00:03:34.890 --> 00:03:36.029 it center. 32 00:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.070 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): That's more 33 00:03:49.380 --> 00:03:58.940 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I'm feeling into your presence here. Maybe the ease and nourishment that comes from Yoga. 34 00:03:59.140 --> 00:04:00.970 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and also the 35 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:06.239 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): to fire, the toughest, the desire to create change. 36 00:04:07.290 --> 00:04:08.090 and 37 00:04:10.430 --> 00:04:13.920 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): holding those in like a dance or a balance. 38 00:04:17.490 --> 00:04:22.220 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So if you can imagine in your mind's eye while we do this visualization. 39 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:28.229 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): The last time that you felt kind of a sense of holding that tension. 40 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:32.689 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and it might have literally been like playing tug of war with a 41 00:04:32.990 --> 00:04:40.430 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): family member friends like pulling on rope, and there's like a give and a take. And if you let go they're gonna fall 42 00:04:40.630 --> 00:04:42.429 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that if you pull. 43 00:04:42.880 --> 00:04:48.759 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): maybe you'll pull them over to your side right? There's like attention that you're holding when you're literally tugging 44 00:04:48.770 --> 00:04:51.480 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): on a piece of rope or string. 45 00:04:54.180 --> 00:04:57.239 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): maybe with holding tension. 46 00:04:57.690 --> 00:05:03.299 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you know, trying to make institutional change while maintaining personal relationships. 47 00:05:03.940 --> 00:05:05.630 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): family members 48 00:05:07.370 --> 00:05:08.690 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): between 49 00:05:09.230 --> 00:05:15.000 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the desire that you have and maybe the job or the working conditions that you're in 50 00:05:18.790 --> 00:05:21.899 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so many ways that we hold tension. 51 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:28.409 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And there are many ways that Yoga supports us 52 00:05:28.460 --> 00:05:31.310 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): with these tools and these skills 53 00:05:31.710 --> 00:05:33.710 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): or bringing ease. 54 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:35.900 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I also 55 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:38.050 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): acting. 56 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.000 I'm creating change. 57 00:05:46.770 --> 00:05:48.800 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): One of those tools is the breath 58 00:05:51.460 --> 00:05:55.110 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): meeting in reading out 59 00:06:00.260 --> 00:06:06.789 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): another of those tools is grounding and feeling yourself grounded on the earth, supported by the earth. 60 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:10.939 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's your feet, whatever supporting you. 61 00:06:27.130 --> 00:06:28.050 Okay. 62 00:06:29.540 --> 00:06:31.540 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the tools of 63 00:06:32.370 --> 00:06:36.160 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): all of the ways we build ugly. We build fire 64 00:06:39.730 --> 00:06:43.119 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that might be visualizing a flame that you're 65 00:06:43.250 --> 00:06:45.840 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): parts in the belly 66 00:06:46.470 --> 00:06:53.119 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): might be breathing a little more intensively. So you stimulate the digestifier and fire within. 67 00:07:03.510 --> 00:07:05.889 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I'll take one more breath here. 68 00:07:09.380 --> 00:07:14.909 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): utilize the tool of orientation, and as we come out of meditation. 69 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.350 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): looking around you, taking in form and color 70 00:07:18.650 --> 00:07:19.590 shape. 71 00:07:21.280 --> 00:07:24.790 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I miss you the classroom. 72 00:07:25.850 --> 00:07:29.230 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I'm going to turn my computer so you can see 73 00:07:30.580 --> 00:07:35.959 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that there's like back to blankets and blocks. And 74 00:07:36.870 --> 00:07:42.430 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): it's cool. It kind of feels like I'm at Yoga college or something. 75 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:52.970 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so orienting yourself in space. And this is not the room I've been teaching it. So I'm also just letting myself come into this space. 76 00:07:53.860 --> 00:07:55.040 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Hmm! 77 00:07:59.960 --> 00:08:03.930 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So the question we got one question. 78 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.489 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that was kind of on the team that I was guiding you, guiding us with. 79 00:08:09.760 --> 00:08:16.949 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and that is, we've been thinking about the practical use of their yoga practice. 80 00:08:17.070 --> 00:08:18.419 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Shut up the 81 00:08:18.730 --> 00:08:23.980 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the community check in and pedal yoga, for this checking question, and it's like 82 00:08:25.280 --> 00:08:33.719 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): for me. My practice is a question. My practice helps my life be easier. I've learned to be gentle to allow to not force 83 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:43.409 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): with that said, especially from this program, meaning Yoga class curator. I've come to value heat effort that us and I was wondering if you could talk about this. 84 00:08:43.789 --> 00:08:52.829 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): perhaps seeming contradiction between ease that Yoga encourages and the D Us. The fire that's needed to make waves transformation and change 85 00:08:53.590 --> 00:08:56.020 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and 86 00:08:56.700 --> 00:09:00.159 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): just wanna check. Can anyone resonate with that question? 87 00:09:00.940 --> 00:09:01.680 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yeah. 88 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:06.990 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So 89 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.770 for me. it's 90 00:09:14.810 --> 00:09:20.340 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I remember hearing someone, let's say, like, arrested warrior is a more 91 00:09:20.350 --> 00:09:21.700 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): effective warrior 92 00:09:23.700 --> 00:09:26.839 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like we're more powerful when we're 93 00:09:27.430 --> 00:09:29.660 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): aligned and unified. 94 00:09:29.700 --> 00:09:37.839 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And I think about we've talked about this in past office hours, and I'll share in more detail about this in the future. But 95 00:09:38.880 --> 00:09:44.089 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): if this is like a basic model of our brains, right? This is from Daniel Goleman. And when we're 96 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:49.830 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): what this is kind of like fight or flight, our emotions rational, critical thinking. 97 00:09:50.250 --> 00:09:53.519 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): If we're here, we're all in our emotions. So we're like 98 00:09:53.670 --> 00:10:02.670 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): in a tantrum in a panic down here. It's really hard to create sustainable teams, it we're just in like feelings and survival. 99 00:10:03.020 --> 00:10:06.389 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): But Yoga helps us. We not just like. 100 00:10:06.760 --> 00:10:16.090 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): think rationally, but be a in a unified brain state. It always has this. There's a free chapter of my book that's available. If you don't have my book. 101 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:18.290 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you can get it on my website. 102 00:10:18.430 --> 00:10:27.909 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and it goes into the roots of trauma-informed yoga that have always been there in yoga philosophy and Yoga practice, and gives 103 00:10:27.920 --> 00:10:31.190 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): some of the tools that I brought forward today. 104 00:10:31.510 --> 00:10:36.760 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So it's this balance right of, and of sort of wisdom. 105 00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:43.159 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): The Jana Yoga, the the wisdom that comes of knowing when it's our time to pause. 106 00:10:43.300 --> 00:10:46.839 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and when it's time to move and to act. 107 00:10:47.160 --> 00:10:55.570 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And there's no rule book for that it's just a practice. It's a practice like Yoga is a practice. And so, for example. 108 00:10:55.760 --> 00:11:09.770 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): where I am on the retreat, there have been a number of things happening right? Because we're in an institution in a space that is wanting. Folks like me, you know, and other career folks trans folks, people of color. 109 00:11:10.010 --> 00:11:20.490 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): but not quite equipped yet to really hold us. And so there's microaggressions around pronouns around bathrooms 110 00:11:20.590 --> 00:11:28.630 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): around. Are you working here versus teaching here? Right? So there's all of those things happening. 111 00:11:28.740 --> 00:11:33.210 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And sometimes folks want to jump in and fix 112 00:11:33.350 --> 00:11:38.270 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the problem right? So I'm just giving to like really real concrete examples. 113 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:47.639 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Oh, can we all go around and share our pronouns? Can we do that? And and maybe that's helpful. But sometimes, what might be more helpful is just pausing. 114 00:11:48.680 --> 00:11:50.930 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): not rushing, to fix 115 00:11:52.910 --> 00:11:55.670 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and being with being with the 116 00:11:59.190 --> 00:12:06.679 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the relationships that are there in the moment, being with one's own experience, right listening. 117 00:12:07.420 --> 00:12:11.769 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and so that balance that dance, I think, about holding 118 00:12:13.050 --> 00:12:17.680 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): a rubber band. So for folks it's kind of a dark rubber band, but it's my hair tie. 119 00:12:17.730 --> 00:12:18.770 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and 120 00:12:20.760 --> 00:12:23.969 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yoga, is this holding of tension. 121 00:12:24.030 --> 00:12:32.080 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you know. On one side is like the world we're in, and the other side is the world we want. and sometimes they're really far apart. 122 00:12:32.220 --> 00:12:39.839 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): But if we pull and there's all my attention and we're pole, we fight, fight, fight. What happens right? The rubber band breaks. 123 00:12:40.190 --> 00:12:42.050 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): we collapse. 124 00:12:42.410 --> 00:12:47.270 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I've certainly had my time. So, for now, of like I, I was forced to stop. 125 00:12:47.860 --> 00:12:49.220 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and then, if we 126 00:12:49.420 --> 00:12:57.619 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): we just are all in our bliss and our calm, and our happiness, and our whatever joyful place. But all these things are still there, right? The conditions are still there. 127 00:12:58.600 --> 00:12:59.800 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Detention 128 00:13:00.010 --> 00:13:04.250 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): goes out and it collapses, and there's there's no change that happens. 129 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:19.280 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so it's it is a practice. And that's why I love this question. I can't give you a rule book, the person who asked it, or anyone who also has that question. But I can say, this is part of the practice. It's 130 00:13:19.420 --> 00:13:23.409 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and Iraq, right, like 131 00:13:23.640 --> 00:13:24.830 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): is. 132 00:13:24.860 --> 00:13:31.920 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and then, like doing every action you must do, but not being attached to actions, to actions, fruits 133 00:13:31.950 --> 00:13:39.970 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that balance between harmonizing, harmonizing, harmonizing. So you can take the next right action. 134 00:13:40.020 --> 00:13:41.200 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and 135 00:13:41.280 --> 00:13:50.030 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): for me a big part of it. And I'd love to just invite into the space any comments or questions or thoughts on this. I do want to share about cultural appropriation after 2, 136 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.199 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that. So we're not going to spend all our time on this. But 137 00:13:53.350 --> 00:14:01.420 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): A big part of what helps me know if I'm like to, in my ease, is having accountability, having friends. 138 00:14:01.780 --> 00:14:04.540 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): colleagues. people who 139 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:06.650 and be like, hey? 140 00:14:06.710 --> 00:14:11.710 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Can you help hold this with me like? Can you help advocate for trans rights 141 00:14:12.630 --> 00:14:21.379 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): to me as a cisgender person or that I can be like, hey! Can you help hold this with me? like the amount of South Asian eraser and yoga. 142 00:14:21.610 --> 00:14:23.780 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you know, and we can kind of help 143 00:14:24.090 --> 00:14:26.670 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): down to like, hey, you're doing a lot. 144 00:14:27.100 --> 00:14:30.529 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I had friends. Say this to me recently, like 145 00:14:31.530 --> 00:14:42.590 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): she's my. My. My colleague was like she's had this. And then she did this she did the yoga, you know, like Yoga festival, yoga rest of all. Does she ever rest? 146 00:14:42.900 --> 00:15:06.029 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And I was like, Oh, nice little message of like, hey? Maybe rest more like, take more naps right like. So called into that ease, and we get to do that for each other. No one knows better than you. Right? You're that you have the Phd. In you. and and yet we can support one another. So any thoughts on that balance, and I'm just seeing a lot of 147 00:15:06.260 --> 00:15:08.520 I have not seen your 148 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:11.320 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): anyone like to speak into the space. 149 00:15:19.490 --> 00:15:21.299 Elizabeth McMillian : I can add something to that. 150 00:15:21.570 --> 00:15:25.039 Elizabeth McMillian : Hi, Elizabeth. Yes, please. 151 00:15:25.100 --> 00:15:45.509 Elizabeth McMillian : speaking to that too, and trying to find that balance. What I know for me at least helps, is when you do feel out of balance where in your body are you feeling that? And let that kind of be a guide of okay, like, am I on the edge of doing too much and not really being at ease. And then, when you are at ease. 152 00:15:45.670 --> 00:15:58.540 Elizabeth McMillian : and notice when in that ease, you feel like you're starting to like, be stagnant, and it, and what that makes you feel and like. If you can identify how it feels in your body that can help you. Better gauge like where your balance is. 153 00:15:59.450 --> 00:16:01.850 Hmm. yeah. 154 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:15.060 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): we're in a mind-body practice, right? We're drawn to Yoga as a mind-body practice for for a reason. And in that tool that skillfulness of coming back and checking in with our bodies. Thank you for that. 155 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:31.399 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And Avery said, Feeling this deeply, I was in a job I recently left where I thought I could, might be able to make institutional and systems change. But my body was in a constant state of overwhelming something in the felt out of alignment so important, right? If we had to take 156 00:16:31.430 --> 00:16:33.110 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): note of those cues. 157 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:44.830 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I absolutely felt the rush urgency to see change in my body. Body couldn't keep up. And Bonnie says, Do we both just have and leave the same job? So yeah. 158 00:16:44.900 --> 00:16:48.840 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and I just want to like spiritually highlight her. The 159 00:16:50.050 --> 00:16:55.420 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): my body was in a constant state of overwhelming, and something in me felt out of alignment 160 00:16:55.620 --> 00:17:00.199 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like we sometimes don't know here, but we know here. 161 00:17:00.230 --> 00:17:05.379 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and so slowing down that pause again in order to be open to bodily wisdom. 162 00:17:06.609 --> 00:17:14.499 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Karen, Reminded me of that question of the meditation. And Hi Karen 163 00:17:14.770 --> 00:17:17.619 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): May I consume in ways that allow 164 00:17:17.859 --> 00:17:26.160 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): for others to also have what they need, may stand against oppressive systems, exploit and create more justice and equity for all. 165 00:17:26.280 --> 00:17:36.559 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): maybe mindful in life, and reduce attachment to a limited sense of self, ego or sense impressions, and merge with my highest self the divine and oneness. Thank you. 166 00:17:36.610 --> 00:17:37.750 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Thank you. Thank you. 167 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:49.169 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So as we move into talking about cultural appropriation, I wanted to share on that and share my screen and do kind of like a a bit more, deeper dive. 168 00:17:49.430 --> 00:17:54.560 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Just. I would like us to also hold this like the balance of ease and efforts. 169 00:17:54.780 --> 00:18:02.979 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Also the understanding that we may not get closer meaning like it might not wrap up in a nice little boat like. Here's what to do. 170 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:08.770 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): We may leave with more questions. We can always come back in a future office hours and talk more 171 00:18:08.990 --> 00:18:10.910 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and 172 00:18:11.340 --> 00:18:13.339 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and so to just hold that 173 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:15.510 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): we'll bet 174 00:18:15.710 --> 00:18:16.740 attention. 175 00:18:18.220 --> 00:18:19.010 Okay. 176 00:18:20.210 --> 00:18:21.400 let's see. 177 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:23.699 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): can you all see my screen? 178 00:18:25.460 --> 00:18:27.690 yes, awesome. 179 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:40.769 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So we're exploring, unpacking cultural appropriation. This is The slide show is one that I give sometimes when I go out and teach. Sometimes I add more to it. But 180 00:18:40.990 --> 00:18:42.750 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I like to just name 181 00:18:43.040 --> 00:18:45.479 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): who I've learned from when I share. 182 00:18:45.640 --> 00:19:00.500 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So my teacher, Shankari, Kavir G. Satish, Kamar, Dr. Tara Sathia, or in that tea, Roy, Dr. Brendan is Shiva Aisha Mason Tik that Han Dr. Reverend Lawson, Patrice colors, and many others. 183 00:19:01.970 --> 00:19:04.070 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and so our aims 184 00:19:04.310 --> 00:19:15.800 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): are to honor and embrace your of his roots as we embody Yoga to teach and take aligned actions moving forward. And then to understand key concepts like cultural appropriation. 185 00:19:15.810 --> 00:19:18.869 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): power, privilege, cultural appreciation. 186 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:26.630 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And when we talk about yoga right, there's 187 00:19:27.660 --> 00:19:39.299 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): there's misunderstanding about what Yoga is, and that's part of what we're counteracting with over cost, curator, and other ways, that you might be exploring the depth and the heart of Yoga. 188 00:19:39.750 --> 00:19:47.389 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): But the problem with these misunderstandings is that they dilute Yoga teachings to the point where Yoga is barely recognizable at all. 189 00:19:47.770 --> 00:20:14.639 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): But within the tradition are the seeds. We need to understand how to honor the full expanse of what you is. And so I took a picture of the Gandhi Ashroom and Larda, and what is so powerful to me about this is, there's still mostly women working there, village women who go and live an Asher in life and devote themselves to these these observances 190 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:24.239 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and serve in the community, and these might look really familiar. They might look like some of the Yamas in Yemen's, like truth, sectia, nonviolence, I mean. So 191 00:20:24.760 --> 00:20:28.989 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): ramataria in the Ashram. It's it's chastity. 192 00:20:29.050 --> 00:20:35.719 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): no sexual activity. But outside of the Ashram it's like care of our sexual breath, lifeforce energy. 193 00:20:36.190 --> 00:20:38.999 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): non stealing session bread. 194 00:20:39.070 --> 00:20:48.109 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): There's a few different ones like service, right? If we're going to eat, receive. We also work for our food doesn't have to be the we don't have to 195 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:49.920 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): one to one. So 196 00:20:50.180 --> 00:21:15.830 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): control of our senses, partihara fearlessness, the quality of religions meaning not. And this is really key, especially in India, where sometimes Yoga can be used to oppress as a tool that anything can be a tool or a weapon. So you'll get self can be used as a tool to a press outcast or dial it folks or religious minorities. 197 00:21:15.850 --> 00:21:23.609 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): whereas Yoga, as a practice is one of equality, of religions, not of exclusion. 198 00:21:24.790 --> 00:21:30.859 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so they added it. Removal of untouchability and sweat is she that's like self reliance. So cool. 199 00:21:31.590 --> 00:21:34.780 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): follow the above observances with humility and result. 200 00:21:35.300 --> 00:21:43.790 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And I share this to say, like Yoga is a living tradition, right? Like there is people actively practicing and living all over the world. 201 00:21:43.940 --> 00:21:45.310 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): including us. 202 00:21:45.450 --> 00:21:50.880 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and we get to be the ones that bring that 203 00:21:50.990 --> 00:21:54.560 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): revolution of understanding of what you get is forward. 204 00:21:55.540 --> 00:22:02.310 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): however, in Yoga and and wellness in the West. There are some. 205 00:22:02.730 --> 00:22:10.700 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and so I want to ask you, and you can drop this in the chat. Has there been a time for you when Yoga or this felt inaccessible? 206 00:22:11.230 --> 00:22:16.059 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Or why might it feel or be an inaccessible to some, if not to you. 207 00:22:16.620 --> 00:22:24.920 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and to consider multiple and intersectional issues, such as class ability, race gender culture. 208 00:22:26.080 --> 00:22:36.790 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): knowing that issues of appropriation and accessibility can start before folks even enter into like a Yoga space healthcare space on the space studio or online 209 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.940 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): stop sharing. So 210 00:22:45.460 --> 00:22:51.530 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I guess another way of asking, this is like, Who's left out right? Who do you not see in Yoga spaces? 211 00:22:53.670 --> 00:22:56.990 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yeah, the prices of classes are expensive. 212 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.920 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): larger parties. 213 00:23:04.170 --> 00:23:06.059 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): cost and class time. 214 00:23:10.130 --> 00:23:17.590 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So it's not welcome because of size, race, or economic status, deaf or blind or urgent classes upstairs. Yeah. 215 00:23:18.490 --> 00:23:19.300 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah. 216 00:23:21.690 --> 00:23:27.239 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): focusing fitness, marital status, neighborhood accessibility, pressure to perform. 217 00:23:28.370 --> 00:23:31.820 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It'd be financial right. All of these things 218 00:23:32.410 --> 00:23:35.140 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so you can keep them. Keep them coming. 219 00:23:35.840 --> 00:23:46.299 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And it's not just who is missing. It's also who's in leadership, right? This practice that for thousands of years has been practiced by mostly black and brown folks. 220 00:23:46.460 --> 00:23:48.569 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): When you think about where you are. 221 00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:55.519 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): what percentage of blank right in Yoga are led by Indian folks, Stacy folks of color. 222 00:23:55.970 --> 00:24:01.590 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So what percentage of Yoga classes. what percentage of teacher trainings 223 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:07.050 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): or workshops. looks festivals. 224 00:24:07.350 --> 00:24:10.719 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And now that I'm here on this retreat like 225 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:17.609 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): retreats, you know, retreat experiences and who owns the retreat centers. 226 00:24:18.250 --> 00:24:23.660 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so I'm gonna stop my sharing again. Just so I can actually see you because I want to like. 227 00:24:24.520 --> 00:24:26.659 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): really, get this like where you are 228 00:24:29.330 --> 00:24:32.819 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like, can you kind of approximate the percentage. 229 00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:43.370 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I would say, where I lived in Orlando was like 8 of the studios were by Popp. 230 00:24:44.890 --> 00:24:47.279 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): 3% South Asian 231 00:24:47.710 --> 00:24:51.650 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and maybe 6, you know, or whatever 5% black. 232 00:24:52.490 --> 00:24:53.499 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And the rest 233 00:24:53.720 --> 00:25:07.169 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): this white? Right? So. yeah, 2 to 3 in terms of retreat centers. I can't think of any in terms of why, it's I know my own Michelle Cassandra Johnson's. 234 00:25:07.290 --> 00:25:12.130 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): There's maybe a handful of others. Of course there's some in India. 235 00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:19.330 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): This complexity, though for various reasons, including some of the like 236 00:25:19.600 --> 00:25:32.170 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): fundamentalism that I mentioned, also patriarchy. So, and then abuse within. Let me just and so I don't always I not. There's no lineage where I feel comfortable at this time, recommending someone go 237 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.470 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and study in India because I don't 238 00:25:35.690 --> 00:25:41.679 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): have the confidence in those other aspects. Right? The interrelated aspects of honoring the roots 239 00:25:41.850 --> 00:25:44.639 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and caring for people. Now, social justice. 240 00:25:44.660 --> 00:25:51.460 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and basic rights, you know, like women's rights and trans rights, like queer rights like that. That stuff is tricky. 241 00:25:51.730 --> 00:25:53.750 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so 242 00:25:55.190 --> 00:25:56.160 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah. 243 00:25:56.800 --> 00:26:00.810 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Telsey, at the studio. It chat. I'm the only person of color. 244 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.000 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): All of the studios are wide on. Yeah. 245 00:26:06.700 --> 00:26:07.370 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Hmm. 246 00:26:08.650 --> 00:26:11.799 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah. And for some of us it might be like where we live. 247 00:26:11.860 --> 00:26:16.140 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): but also like who's on the reading list right for like. 248 00:26:16.370 --> 00:26:28.179 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): if those folks are teaching teacher trainings in where you live, who are they bringing in as guest teachers like folks are online. There's tons of us now that are so 249 00:26:28.790 --> 00:26:34.119 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): do they bring in those voices right? Those are all things to think about. 250 00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:39.829 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so Yoga is union. 251 00:26:40.230 --> 00:26:45.680 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Whatever causes separation within ourselves or with others is not unity. 252 00:26:47.910 --> 00:26:52.859 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's not Yoga. And whatever leads us towards unity is here, that 253 00:26:55.700 --> 00:27:00.890 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and this is really powerful right. If we think back to like all the answers we just gave. 254 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:05.029 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): where is the actual union right? There's a lot of separation. 255 00:27:05.810 --> 00:27:10.260 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so we can look at values from within Yoga itself 256 00:27:11.800 --> 00:27:15.610 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): to bring into Yoga classes and programming. 257 00:27:17.800 --> 00:27:30.910 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So you can think about your actual values, like what values are important to you. And remembering that Yoga is this organized system of Yamas Nyamas. 258 00:27:30.950 --> 00:27:34.230 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): all of these things as well. 259 00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:38.350 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's gonna look at the chat. Yeah. 260 00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:43.700 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So I'd love to see what other values before we get into talking about 261 00:27:43.760 --> 00:27:45.429 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): cultural appropriation like 262 00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:51.520 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): we've got, you know, maybe a him some, maybe satya non harm, truthfulness. 263 00:27:51.540 --> 00:27:58.449 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the ones we've been exploring. But maybe there's other things. And and you know the yam is the way that we laid the out here. 264 00:27:58.470 --> 00:28:10.740 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's just one way, there's other. Write ups of you know, big ethics that include other things like fearlessness include other qualities like faith, you know. So 265 00:28:10.830 --> 00:28:16.090 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): there's more, there's room for more, more expressions of your values. 266 00:28:17.690 --> 00:28:20.829 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Selfless service. Yeah, thank you. 267 00:28:21.250 --> 00:28:23.349 I can keep dropping those in 268 00:28:25.820 --> 00:28:28.809 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): self empowerment in great. 269 00:28:33.510 --> 00:28:43.949 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And I think it's really important to to come back to these values right as we. That's part of what helps us hold the tension between the world we want and the world we're in. 270 00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:54.320 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So what is cultural appropriation? It happens and exists in a context of systems of power, oppression, and privilege. 271 00:28:54.520 --> 00:28:55.770 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So what 272 00:28:55.900 --> 00:29:03.630 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): are those things? Right? Like? Power is everywhere. Power is neutral. It's neither good or bad, but it can be used 273 00:29:04.970 --> 00:29:12.389 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): to impact folks empowers literally, the ability to to affect change, to impact. 274 00:29:14.070 --> 00:29:22.099 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So privilege is an unearned advantage given to some over others and supported by structures of. 275 00:29:26.860 --> 00:29:28.859 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so we can think about 276 00:29:29.410 --> 00:29:36.210 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): privilege in my book. I wrote about it this way. The privilege on one side, like ways, were advantaged by systems 277 00:29:36.310 --> 00:29:46.519 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and then targeted systematically or systemically disadvantaged. But I actually think it's more complex and just like a tea chart. It's even more complex than the circle 278 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.140 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and the circle. 279 00:29:49.730 --> 00:29:55.700 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I'll just kind of break it down right in the middle. Is power, right? The ability to affect your will on the world 280 00:29:55.880 --> 00:30:04.809 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and then around the outside, and this is oversimplified to It's kind of flattened and doesn't address intersectionality. But 281 00:30:05.370 --> 00:30:14.120 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): if we take citizenship, someone who is a citizen is closest to proximity of power. So my documented is next, and someone undocumented as far as out. 282 00:30:14.910 --> 00:30:26.490 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): same with skin color, right white folks closest to proximity to power. And the systems were in. And these systems, you know, you could write up like around where it would really be in the center, like 283 00:30:26.560 --> 00:30:29.830 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): legal systems, educational systems, health care. 284 00:30:29.940 --> 00:30:41.000 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): politics, right? All across every aspect of what it means culture. what it means to access and impact the world. 285 00:30:41.420 --> 00:30:48.529 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so someone like myself who's different. Shaded. I put myself like closer in here, right like scan, to have privilege. 286 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.110 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I have more proximity to power. 287 00:30:51.140 --> 00:30:55.329 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Then my dark skin comrades and siblings and family members. 288 00:30:56.500 --> 00:31:02.399 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And I experience still experience marginalization compared to white folks. 289 00:31:02.550 --> 00:31:05.320 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so there's ways that 290 00:31:05.340 --> 00:31:16.489 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the closer we are to proximity of power. We experience privilege. and we can act to support the folks who don't have the privilege that we have. 291 00:31:17.540 --> 00:31:27.040 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So this is, I know I wanna just check the chat cool. I dropped in. If you well in the centers. And by, not like. 292 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:28.949 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I'm gonna check that out a minute. 293 00:31:29.170 --> 00:31:33.440 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): okay, so what is oppression? 294 00:31:33.770 --> 00:31:44.429 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): The question is systemic institutional power. This come to be historically and continues over time. It allows certain groups of people to assume a dominant position over other groups. 295 00:31:44.500 --> 00:31:48.330 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and this dominance is continued at an institutional level. 296 00:31:50.120 --> 00:31:52.519 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and then cultural appropriation 297 00:31:52.540 --> 00:32:05.669 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): is the UN. Acknowledged or inappropriate adoption of customs, practices, ideas, etc., of one people or society by members of another and typically more dominant people or society. 298 00:32:06.090 --> 00:32:09.389 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so simply put cultural appropriation is stealing. 299 00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:24.670 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's always based in 2 factors. Right? That power imbalance, and then heart to the source culture. And I'm going to stop sharing and see if there are any questions. 300 00:32:40.040 --> 00:32:46.109 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Sorry it's muted. But sad. Is that so? It's create privileged layers. Karen says, even amongst by pot. 301 00:32:46.210 --> 00:32:52.629 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah. And a lot of times like that happens in connection to 302 00:32:53.290 --> 00:32:55.029 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): proximity to whiteness. 303 00:32:56.210 --> 00:32:59.220 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So it gets very, very 304 00:32:59.250 --> 00:33:00.690 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): tricky. Because 305 00:33:00.700 --> 00:33:04.169 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that's why we talk about like white supremacy, because it's 306 00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:11.359 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): one. These cultures like white supremacy. Culture harms everyone right. It harms white folks, too. 307 00:33:12.360 --> 00:33:13.480 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and 308 00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:27.610 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): it often marginalized and harms folks of color more. And folks of color can perpetuate white supremacy just like women can perpetuate patriarchy, you know, and even misogyny against other women. 309 00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:34.700 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): because there's systems and structures. So that's a piece of it 310 00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:38.000 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): trying to remember 311 00:33:38.710 --> 00:33:46.119 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): how to pronounce your name, is it? Can you unmute and say it? 312 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:56.380 Aine she/they: Thank you, Susanna. I was. I was gonna just say exactly what you said so I'm not sure that I really have that much to add. But what 313 00:33:56.570 --> 00:33:58.969 Aine she/they: was resonating 314 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:17.120 Aine she/they: for me in in my life when you were talking about. when you show the slide of you know what is cultural pro appropriation is is stealing, and that it is taking something from another culture that does harm to the people from that culture. And I was just thinking about how it also just does harm. 315 00:34:17.870 --> 00:34:21.750 Aine she/they: And that is often my way in. 316 00:34:22.210 --> 00:34:33.609 Aine she/they: That's what I choose as a way in, because as a weight cisgendered woman teaching Yoga in a white cisgendered woman, owned business 317 00:34:34.070 --> 00:34:44.180 Aine she/they: with owners that I do not feel ethically aligned with. 318 00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.699 Aine she/they: just to put a point on it. 319 00:34:46.810 --> 00:34:56.309 Aine she/they: you know. for me I find one of the easiest ways to get into 320 00:34:56.320 --> 00:35:12.830 Aine she/they: esteem. As you know, non non-stealing, non cultural procreation is how the systems of oppression oppression oppress everyone right? And we need to look at the specifics of who is being harmed the most. 321 00:35:13.540 --> 00:35:14.920 Aine she/they: and 322 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:34.019 Aine she/they: that we are contributing, not just to the harm of the source culture right of Southeast Asian folks right? but that we're continuing to support the oppression of ourselves as white folks, or as Cis folks, or as whatever. And that 323 00:35:34.050 --> 00:35:36.869 Aine she/they: just makes me 324 00:35:38.090 --> 00:35:40.500 Aine she/they: really 325 00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:50.070 Aine she/they: relieved that I can give voice even in a studio that doesn't feel 326 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:56.389 Aine she/they: really a safe to me, and a lot of ways that I can nonetheless try to 327 00:35:57.510 --> 00:36:01.089 Aine she/they: do what I can to teach the way that 328 00:36:01.230 --> 00:36:05.690 Aine she/they: is aligned with these principles. 329 00:36:05.740 --> 00:36:25.369 Aine she/they: and I just want to say that. That's you know what you were talking about today in the slides. I've seen them when I went to your like on, or don't appropriate like the first free offering I went to with you like 3, 4 years ago, and since then, like there is in a class that I've taught well, maybe 2 or 3 when I've been like completely 330 00:36:25.370 --> 00:36:48.929 Aine she/they: blitzed out, or in an uncomfortable circumstance of supreme whiteness that I wanted to run away from. But I mean always there's a Yama always there's a sutra, always there's a niyama always. I've walked through all 8 limbs of yoga. It took us like 15 months, you know my glasses. And so I just, I'm Anyway, I'm going off in a little bit of a tangent. But just yeah, that the systems continue 331 00:36:48.930 --> 00:36:52.519 Aine she/they: to a press and 332 00:36:53.540 --> 00:36:55.060 Aine she/they: white folks 333 00:36:55.140 --> 00:37:09.850 Aine she/they: I see, and I interact with really struggle to handle that right. And so calling out how it's all interconnected is been a helpful way in. 334 00:37:10.570 --> 00:37:30.439 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yes, thank you. And I love that you were back there back all the way back. Did I do that slide show and a free thing, or was that in my well, I don't know if it was this exact same slide show, but like there's, you know, snippets of it that I'm like, right? And I mean, I remember, you know, it was it was 2,020. 335 00:37:30.570 --> 00:37:31.390 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yeah. 336 00:37:31.720 --> 00:37:36.380 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah, I mean, the the thing is, the contents doesn't change. 337 00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:51.180 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): The the tools don't change, but our skillfulness and applying them deepens. And And so I want it equip all of us, really, because I think it's helpful to not just depend on. 338 00:37:51.210 --> 00:38:10.260 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): For first of all, it's also like a lot to ask of any one person. and it's a lot of emotional labor right for me as as the South Asian woman to be like like, I think I've become known as like, Oh, Susan is the go-to person for cultural appropriation. But that's like that's an impossible 339 00:38:10.270 --> 00:38:20.919 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): role to hold. And I'm not interested in holding it either in terms of being the one that gives people answers as to, is it okay to do this or that? Because 340 00:38:20.950 --> 00:38:24.020 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): actually think it should be on all of us 341 00:38:24.160 --> 00:38:31.859 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): to look at these systems and dismantle them and create new ones right beautiful ones 342 00:38:32.270 --> 00:38:40.749 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): together. And so the tools so these criteria that anyone can address right and look at and assess 343 00:38:40.900 --> 00:38:44.240 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): based cultural appropriation is always 344 00:38:44.330 --> 00:38:50.300 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): based in a system of oppression. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be cultural appropriation, and it 345 00:38:50.410 --> 00:39:04.479 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): involves power, imbalance and then harm to the source culture. And so we see that with Dominism we see that with plant medicine, with Tai Chi, with indigenous, you know, practices and artifacts, all of those things. 346 00:39:04.520 --> 00:39:13.489 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): We also see it in Yoga. And I'm going to break down 2 examples, glamorization and sterilization. 347 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:24.420 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah, okay, well, folks want you to represent an entire race or group, educate them, to make them feel better right versus them, learning and practicing their own. Yeah. 348 00:39:24.430 --> 00:39:54.239 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so we talked a little about this. You I I think maybe we can just kind of reflect on it right like, where maybe, have you seen appropriation? Actually, sometimes it could be helpful to name specific things. So maybe drop those in the chat. Where do you actually see cultural appropriation showing up and naming? It is that first step. Sometimes it can be so disorienting, particularly like I want to center folks of color to 349 00:39:54.430 --> 00:39:56.180 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): one. 350 00:39:56.260 --> 00:40:01.529 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I think sometimes other folks of color are confused about how to relate in a way that's 351 00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:08.090 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): honoring because they're like they here. Oh, we need more folks of color representation, but also don't know how to honor 352 00:40:08.250 --> 00:40:14.219 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that this particular culture, and then to Chris out, these are folks that can be really disorienting because. 353 00:40:14.980 --> 00:40:17.650 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): due to colonization and oppression. 354 00:40:17.730 --> 00:40:30.530 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): We've lost a lot of the time, our direct connection to our practices. And so sometimes the only way to learn like I think of my friends South Asian friends who, like. They could only learn Yoga from someone 355 00:40:30.670 --> 00:40:35.629 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): who like, if in an appropriated circumstance, right? So 356 00:40:36.150 --> 00:40:46.110 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): then we can also think about what we can do and how it might we interrupt. Yeah, so sip and stretch classes, vinyas, and you know, fear and clocks. 357 00:40:46.870 --> 00:40:48.800 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I wonder? 358 00:40:49.270 --> 00:40:54.429 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah, there's stuff we can definitely do, Bonnie. Besides that. just not participate. 359 00:40:54.560 --> 00:40:58.050 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Let's talk about this. I'm so glad. Oh, blocks 360 00:40:58.300 --> 00:40:59.580 that again. 361 00:40:59.600 --> 00:41:03.389 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): beer and block so weird the things that people come up with 362 00:41:03.580 --> 00:41:05.129 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): fitness based deal there. 363 00:41:05.240 --> 00:41:08.820 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): no. Must stay in bed. Yeah. Yeah. 364 00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:10.520 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And these things. 365 00:41:10.550 --> 00:41:16.250 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the land as aggressions, microaggressions, harms right? So 366 00:41:16.610 --> 00:41:23.159 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): cultural corporation happens usually in these 2 forums, and also just desecration. 367 00:41:23.370 --> 00:41:27.520 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like disrespect to the culture. So glamorization 368 00:41:27.730 --> 00:41:46.280 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): is a practice of appropriation. Take involving taking cultural practices out of context, putting them on for the purpose of looking exotic or cool. And so here you've got a white person wearing a Bendy also appropriating some native American like hairstyle and and art, and 369 00:41:46.330 --> 00:42:04.669 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the very thing that she does. And this happens, you know, like models or pop culture icons. They do this every like 5 years. I feel like I'm like, oh, I'm I'm in my, you know, like Bohemian avant-garde era, and I'm wearing a Bendy now, and 370 00:42:04.810 --> 00:42:14.419 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): they everyone's like, oh, they're so free and cool. But folks from within the culture are haunt, you know, actually experience violence. And then also. 371 00:42:14.430 --> 00:42:21.060 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): called dot head for that same act right? So that's part of the harm. 372 00:42:21.650 --> 00:42:28.280 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And then sterilization. Yeah. God, it's got us in the bathroom. Yes. 373 00:42:28.910 --> 00:42:31.369 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): steer lensation is almost the opposite. 374 00:42:31.470 --> 00:42:42.140 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's a form of cultural appropriation that occurs when one sanitizes the practice by taking cultural elements out to make it more palatable to the dominant culture. 375 00:42:42.660 --> 00:43:02.340 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so here's 2 examples. this book is in many Yoga book source the no own zone and no chanting, no Granola, no Sanskrit practical guide to Yoga, it's so disrespectful like there's. For one thing, Kernel has nothing to do with Yoga that we don't eat. That's 376 00:43:02.350 --> 00:43:08.659 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): but chanting is part of Yoga. So in script. This is one of the languages that Yoga was practiced and taught in. 377 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.970 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and and so that book would be a 378 00:43:12.770 --> 00:43:18.680 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): harmful example. And then Scientific American right before the pandemic. 379 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:27.319 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): some of Iti Panama. Equal breath inhaling for for hold, exhale for 4. Hold out that one 380 00:43:28.510 --> 00:43:36.799 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): They had this amazing huge study, really great, you know, like Cardio coherence breathing, they called it some of it to the rename. 381 00:43:36.890 --> 00:43:45.699 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): can stabilize the heartbeat and have a powerful ability to damp and anxiety so wonderful findings. Again, Yoga practitioners have known this for thousands of years. 382 00:43:46.640 --> 00:44:03.309 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): but they never refer to the source where this comes from which is, it's in the Vedas. it's in the it's literally described, you know. So it's like bad science. Cite your sources. And so I like this Tweet. It's a little bit snarky, but 383 00:44:03.560 --> 00:44:09.420 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): it makes sense because it's, you know. so much harm 384 00:44:09.510 --> 00:44:23.230 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): one by to around seal steel knowledge from ancient Indian cultures. One rename it to 3, claim it as your invention and for attack native traditions as superstition. History of the West. 385 00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:33.830 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Okay. Another example. literally, in the costume section 386 00:44:33.940 --> 00:44:37.590 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): of a Halloween store. Close that 387 00:44:39.340 --> 00:44:41.020 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): my family members where 388 00:44:41.630 --> 00:44:49.859 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and then here, not all studies, you know, dress like this. There's different ways that spiritual practitioners run and see. It's in India. Address? 389 00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:55.850 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): but that's just that distinction. 390 00:44:57.630 --> 00:45:07.829 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So folks get lots of questions like, I get the question a lot, why is cultural preparation not just an issue of progress or a natural outcome of a more globalized world? 391 00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:10.620 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And I would say, 392 00:45:13.060 --> 00:45:19.600 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): historical oppression, current eraser racism, power, imbalance, and social inequities. 393 00:45:19.680 --> 00:45:34.410 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Those are big things, right? People may not actually be willing to see those. And so I don't always rush in. If someone's like Karen, you know, had a moment where, like a massage teacher, they know. said my friend, practices Yoga, that focuses on the breath. 394 00:45:34.530 --> 00:45:49.310 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): That's why is there another kind, right? Like, I don't always go into all of this. Someone's like, why are you talking about? I don't think cultural appropriation is a thing. we're what are you not going to let me Indian food now, right like 395 00:45:49.390 --> 00:45:53.439 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And again, if we go back to power and harm. 396 00:45:54.120 --> 00:46:00.910 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): if it's food, and it's an Indian owned restaurant, right? And I'm just going in. And or in my 397 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:06.630 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): context, like, say, it's a Thai restaurant. I am not Thai and I go, and I enjoy it their food 398 00:46:06.820 --> 00:46:13.719 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and pay them for it. There's there's an imbalance of power, but there's no harm right there's there's 399 00:46:13.780 --> 00:46:15.080 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): exchange. 400 00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:23.249 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): If I go to Thailand, and I take a recipe for some kind of Thai food, come back, mass, produce it, and sell it. 401 00:46:23.390 --> 00:46:26.590 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): That would be hard right? That's material part. 402 00:46:27.940 --> 00:46:32.660 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I don't know what you're referring to around 403 00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:33.780 and it 404 00:46:34.040 --> 00:46:37.240 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you can let us know, maybe in the chat. So 405 00:46:38.110 --> 00:46:48.440 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): how do we address this right? Let's get to like, what can we do? Because Bonnie asked like, can we do anything other than not participating? And I think yes, we can. 406 00:46:48.790 --> 00:46:51.740 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So we can one connect 407 00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:59.859 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): with the cultures that like, especially if we're teaching Yoga that Indian culture primarily different from one's own. If you're not Indian 408 00:46:59.900 --> 00:47:09.400 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and respect the mode, the codes, mores, values and practices of the culture. This can happen when we uplift and give back 409 00:47:10.090 --> 00:47:19.349 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so cultural appro appreciation is the exact opposite of appropriation, right, so power, imbalance to power, balancing, and harm to non harm. 410 00:47:19.710 --> 00:47:21.960 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so power, balancing and not hard. 411 00:47:22.240 --> 00:47:33.120 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so we can utilize our power, privilege or advantage to uplift and support under resource groups or people, so that might mean 412 00:47:34.890 --> 00:47:44.289 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): stepping back, pausing, doing less, inviting in, you know, using power and privilege to uplift others. I get asked every 413 00:47:44.430 --> 00:47:48.540 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): For some reason. I don't really don't know why, I guess, because I talk about pronouns and things. 414 00:47:48.630 --> 00:47:50.309 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): but I get asked to 415 00:47:50.380 --> 00:47:57.999 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): teach on like trans inclusion and yoga spaces. I'm not trans, and I'm not non-binary. 416 00:47:58.310 --> 00:48:06.580 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and although I don't like deeply connect with cisgenderedness. I'm not the best teacher for that. Right? So my 417 00:48:06.990 --> 00:48:11.699 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): actions of power balancing is, hey? Here's like 10 wonderful teachers. 418 00:48:11.870 --> 00:48:26.700 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): You should hire them and make sure you pay them. Well, you know this is, I'm not going to give you their names if you're not going to pay that. So that's an example of sharing power, using my privilege or advantages. Maybe it's easier for them to come to me, because I see. 419 00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:32.850 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you know, like like a Cis woman. So for for 420 00:48:33.160 --> 00:48:37.960 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): non-indian folks, how can you help 421 00:48:38.230 --> 00:48:55.239 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): non harm a hemset, reduce or mitigate harm or actively uplift source culture. And it's people. So one is like, teach the full expanse of what Yoga is, but also, like financially, socially, politically, emotionally, and culturally care and support. 422 00:48:57.270 --> 00:49:00.210 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): There's so many ways right? Like, 423 00:49:00.430 --> 00:49:04.230 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Okay, let me stop for a second. So I just had someone reach out 424 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:18.030 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): a grad from one of my trainings, one of the teacher trainings who's starting to teach and bring Yoga as part of a suite of wellness practices, and she's like you do bypass scholarships. Right? 425 00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:20.400 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I'm going to have your 426 00:49:21.770 --> 00:49:33.110 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): your Scholarship Fund on my website. And so, you know, I don't know how much will be coming in. I don't know how much it's actually going to be. But I'm gonna actively every month. 427 00:49:33.310 --> 00:49:40.879 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and some percentage of what comes in send to the Scholarship Fund and educate folks about. Why, that's important. 428 00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:48.230 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And I thought that was so. I'm bringing up this personal example because it was so touching, because no one in all these years 429 00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:49.989 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): no one's actually ever done that 430 00:49:50.110 --> 00:49:52.480 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): right and 431 00:49:52.770 --> 00:49:53.940 and 432 00:49:55.380 --> 00:50:01.250 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): then other examples of use myself. Right? So I taught a workshop 433 00:50:01.350 --> 00:50:10.580 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): called belonging for South Asians, and we were addressing like a number of things like how we don't belong in wellness, but also like cast 434 00:50:10.680 --> 00:50:19.399 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): inequity, anti- blackness in South Asian space. And so we donated 435 00:50:21.180 --> 00:50:33.989 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): trying to remember if I think it was 1010 to a quality lab that works on caste equity and 10% of the proceeds to an organization that that works for black uplift. 436 00:50:34.210 --> 00:50:46.980 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And that was on the sales page. Right? The information page about the program. So we did it for a number of reasons. One is, we wanted South Asians who share those same values. 437 00:50:47.530 --> 00:51:03.890 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And 2 is we wanted to really make explicit. And there was scholarships and everything we had, like, I think 50 of the tickets were. The spots were full pay. 25 were half price, and then the other 25 for 25. I mean, we're free. 438 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:16.130 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so it was like 2,010. And so in that way we were working to try to create equity. imperfect right, but power balancing and not harm. 439 00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:19.430 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So now I'm going to stop talking 440 00:51:19.640 --> 00:51:32.449 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and see if you have any comments or questions. Yeah, Glenda is medically based. Meditation trains that never give credit to Yoga. It's so hard that whole like let's make it accessible. 441 00:51:32.500 --> 00:51:34.650 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's so. It's such a 442 00:51:34.780 --> 00:51:49.639 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): discredited, I think, to communities of color, particularly in disabled folks, and all of that to be like, oh, they won't understand. Sounds like it's okay. You can explain to someone like a term. And Sanskrit and make the connection and point to where they can learn more. 443 00:51:50.130 --> 00:51:51.040 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yeah. 444 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:59.100 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): so any comments or questions. I know this is a lot. They wanted to take some time to really explore. 445 00:51:59.610 --> 00:52:01.230 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Okay? 446 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.660 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Oh, Karen and 447 00:52:11.720 --> 00:52:18.690 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I'm going to ask you how to pronounce your name correctly. Is it Constantina? Come to you in a second, Karen. We'll go to you first. 448 00:52:19.810 --> 00:52:29.930 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: thank you. This is obviously helpful, and you always in my mind that I'm thinking about always in mind. 449 00:52:30.490 --> 00:52:35.639 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: I put, I think, a portion of it in the chat, but I think about it more. It's 450 00:52:36.160 --> 00:52:39.740 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: I want to be this true Yoga advocate. 451 00:52:40.490 --> 00:52:45.580 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: but I also don't want to run around connecting everyone. So 452 00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:54.989 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: I'm trying to learn to balance. So, for example, that same massage, she's lovely. She's coming from a good place. She's a little of power. 453 00:52:55.090 --> 00:53:10.419 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: but she doesn't have the knowledge, as most of us don't. And so when she went to say Not a stay at the door. Goodbye. I walked out, and I was like, I can't. I just can't anymore like tack back on the door of the way. 454 00:53:10.700 --> 00:53:15.720 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: It's not a goodbye greeting. And then 455 00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:22.680 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: she was fine with it, and I said a little more about You know it's 456 00:53:22.910 --> 00:53:32.250 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: and I'm wondering what to say. and later I just texted. I said, maybe lessons. Just goodbye. 457 00:53:32.590 --> 00:53:33.390 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: But 458 00:53:33.970 --> 00:53:37.489 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: I'm just wondering I I feel very comfortable with her. 459 00:53:37.660 --> 00:53:44.949 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: But I just also wonder when am I being an advocate? And what am I really just being a know at all? 460 00:53:47.160 --> 00:53:54.179 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I love this Karen. I think about this a lot right, because, especially for folks like when we're early on in our 461 00:53:54.390 --> 00:53:57.850 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): maybe maybe not even early on that. It's like 462 00:53:58.850 --> 00:54:08.920 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like we kind of go into a space and like, Oh, there's all these appropriate things, and we look at where our friends who share our same values. And we're like, And they're messing up, you know, and it's like. 463 00:54:09.170 --> 00:54:18.970 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Is that really helpful? Or is it helpful to kind of get on the same side and not be like I am holier than now. So I try to do like what you did like. 464 00:54:19.040 --> 00:54:24.750 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Be on the same side with folks, you know and and really like 465 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:25.900 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): us 466 00:54:26.250 --> 00:54:37.529 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like. Why do you have that goodness statue where you have it? You know. What is the significance of it to you? Would you be into like I'd love to share the significance for me. 467 00:54:38.440 --> 00:55:01.900 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and I want to just put a caveat of like, particularly for folks of color or in yoga context for South Asian folks. We might not have the energy of the spoons to have those conversations. So you there's no expectation like there's so many appropriate things where I am right now that I am not addressing, you know, like I can't, because I also need a retreat, and it's too much energy. 468 00:55:02.470 --> 00:55:04.290 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and also 469 00:55:04.870 --> 00:55:12.200 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): it can cause direct right? Like, it's like being being under that to us. But when there's time when there's 470 00:55:12.350 --> 00:55:15.059 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): the possibility of trust 471 00:55:15.910 --> 00:55:24.069 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I like to try to get on the same side now, for folks in bodies that are more privileged, or experiences that are more privileged. 472 00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:47.049 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I think it is great to be in the practice of addressing things, trying it out, you know, interrupting, asking questions. I think curiosity. Karen is always such a good tool because it takes out the like. I am better than let me tell you. It's more like, Hey, I'm curious about this. Can you tell me about this? Why, or you know. What does that mean to you? 473 00:55:47.370 --> 00:55:48.439 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And then. 474 00:55:48.690 --> 00:55:51.630 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): if all this fails, send them like 475 00:55:52.250 --> 00:56:09.660 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): a Susannah article, you know. Hey? I read this. How did you come into your Yoga practice, it would make me think, okay, once you read it and let's chat, you know. Would you want to read it? And then, Tab, you know, like you can utilize. Oh, I've heard this great podcast Yoga is dead, like. 476 00:56:10.070 --> 00:56:33.980 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): listen to the first episode. It's got an intense title. You might, you know, you might feel some kind of wait. Let's listen and talk about it right like that I feel like you can utilize the resources that are out there to get into conversation, carry out curiously, that's yeah intent. 477 00:56:34.020 --> 00:56:36.590 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: and let them be. Listen to them. 478 00:56:36.900 --> 00:56:45.019 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: But we also have to, you know, work against the but I I think it's honor. 479 00:56:45.710 --> 00:56:47.079 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: You know the trust. 480 00:56:47.120 --> 00:56:51.269 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: because I felt comfortable. I 481 00:56:51.370 --> 00:57:06.410 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah, that's key. That's key. And I also want to invite folks who are in more privileged experiences. So like you Tail, Drake says, like, when you step into a little bit of discomfort, it allows me to step into a little more ease. 482 00:57:06.620 --> 00:57:11.980 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And so maybe it is awkward, right? Like I. 483 00:57:12.020 --> 00:57:26.620 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): I've been interrupting different things here like microaggressions on different things, and I try to do it in my trainings, too, and it's not easy to act as an ally kind of actually gives us some of the disk privilege of 484 00:57:26.790 --> 00:57:31.050 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): existing in that target reality. 485 00:57:31.410 --> 00:57:38.730 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): But it's so small, right? It's like my hour of discomfort, of having interrupted a gender based microaggression. 486 00:57:38.870 --> 00:57:46.799 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you know, or maybe, like weeks of a little bit of awkwardness with, say, like up here, or a boss or something, you know, and 487 00:57:47.290 --> 00:57:49.719 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and it may help to bring 488 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.149 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): to bring ease for other folks who are targeted all the time. 489 00:57:55.850 --> 00:58:01.460 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Thank you, Ken, passing to you. you can pronounce your name for me. 490 00:58:02.460 --> 00:58:24.239 Constina: It's Kunstina. We had it right the first time. Perfect. thank you so much for this this topic, and sharing the slides. That's my first foray. And looking at the slides as a whole, and I do have your book. So I have been gleaming through it. The thing that came up for me during this whole conversation. Is that 491 00:58:25.340 --> 00:58:32.920 Constina: all I kept thinking was, this is a mirror representation of the black in the world. 492 00:58:34.650 --> 00:58:36.969 Constina: the appropriation. 493 00:58:37.010 --> 00:58:44.719 Constina: so far, I mean? How many Afros do I see of people who are not around during Halloween? And I'm like, Wow! 494 00:58:44.910 --> 00:59:08.969 Constina: And then you go into the black face, and then you go into sign to wrap, and then you got the R and B, and then you have the jazz, and then I say to myself, when it is in But I say all of that because it gives me I, as you had mentioned earlier, I pause every time I go into a Yoga class, or when I'm 495 00:59:09.090 --> 00:59:22.099 Constina: teaching a class. And I reference the historic nature of the practice itself. because I'm consciously aware of how it can be co-opted 496 00:59:22.990 --> 00:59:28.929 Constina: and misrepresent it as authentic from me. And it's not 497 00:59:28.950 --> 00:59:48.299 Constina: this, this is coming from way before me, and the me before me, and to me, before me me and and it's to me is really important, and I will be honest with you. I I am so horrible at Sanskrit I'm just. I'm trying to. I'm still trying to get English together. 498 00:59:49.990 --> 01:00:02.050 Constina: To be honest about that, however, I do try my best, and I do group it up, and I say you might want to go online and look it up yourself. But you know this is where it comes from, and I explain it. 499 01:00:02.050 --> 01:00:25.410 Constina: But the to go back to. What Karen had asked about is, I I think, when you build a level of trust with an instructor, it's a great way to segue and be honest with them. But I agree with what somebody had said in the comments, sometimes just asking a question like, What does that? I think you had said, it's an what does that work mean to you. 500 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:34.050 Constina: you know, and then gently guide them towards other resources. I like that suggestion as well. Okay, thank you. Everyone. Great. 501 01:00:35.090 --> 01:00:36.160 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Yeah. 502 01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:46.870 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Thank you, Christina. Thank you so much. And it's so true. There's so much oppression and and exploitation and appropriation of 503 01:00:47.230 --> 01:00:50.140 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): black culture. And 504 01:00:50.870 --> 01:01:03.170 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): this is why it's tricky, right? Why, we can't just like jump to appreciation. Because in an in a system where there's so much inequity to appreciate is to actually continue to oppress. 505 01:01:03.450 --> 01:01:05.200 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And that is true. 506 01:01:05.310 --> 01:01:14.549 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Whenever there's power, inequity. And so it's like, how do we balance power? Not just appreciate, but actually decolonize. 507 01:01:15.310 --> 01:01:17.810 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yeah. 508 01:01:19.120 --> 01:01:23.249 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): yes, Karen, bond braids and kormos when on vacation. 509 01:01:23.520 --> 01:01:25.359 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Not funny. Yeah. 510 01:01:25.610 --> 01:01:33.269 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So, Derek. And and I'm sure that it will come back right, and and people will will need to to learn. 511 01:01:33.510 --> 01:01:38.390 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): because again, like particularly with braids and corn rose like the very 512 01:01:38.630 --> 01:01:40.599 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): styles that 513 01:01:40.820 --> 01:01:42.560 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): black folks are getting 514 01:01:42.710 --> 01:01:45.090 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like not allowed to go to work. 515 01:01:45.660 --> 01:01:47.670 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): Oppressed in schools 516 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:54.100 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like those are the styles that virtually dominant culture can wear and be called cool or up on guard. Right? So it's again. It's 517 01:01:54.230 --> 01:01:56.530 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): cultural. Appropriation is like A. 518 01:01:57.770 --> 01:02:02.669 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): It's a good metaphor for this. I don't like the canary and the coal mine. It's like a 519 01:02:03.710 --> 01:02:04.970 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): feel like there's like 520 01:02:05.580 --> 01:02:13.350 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): those like certain birds that who right when there's going to be or or call when there's going to be like a storm 521 01:02:13.810 --> 01:02:22.239 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): or an earthquake like. It's like a sign of imbalance and oppression, and can help us move towards 522 01:02:22.650 --> 01:02:24.970 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): towards trying to create equity. 523 01:02:26.410 --> 01:02:31.079 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): So thank you for taking this exploration. 524 01:02:32.330 --> 01:02:48.479 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): it's one that I think is never done really like. It's one we can always circle back to and deepen in. I also know that it may have stirred up more questions. And I really want to remind you, Julian, I don't know if you have the link easily to the the questions form. 525 01:02:48.870 --> 01:02:59.410 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): But you always get email that I like 4 days or a week, or something before our office hours. So if you have other questions that come up. Please please ask them, because I love to 526 01:02:59.690 --> 01:03:16.289 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): to think ahead about what's on your mind and heart. And this came from some questions that folks had asked, that I wanted to share more kind of workshopy. but we also just talk, you know, so I'll see you in a couple of weeks, and then 527 01:03:16.590 --> 01:03:21.660 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): for I'll go into and put up. You can make it, and in our next office hours. 528 01:03:22.540 --> 01:03:32.180 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and I think we'll close with I'd love to invite you to thinking of a concrete action like in that holding of tension between ease 529 01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:37.529 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): and efforts. One concrete action for ease 530 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:41.459 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): like I'm gonna go take a nap or rest. 531 01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:48.199 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And then one concrete action for effort, for creating change, for service. 532 01:03:52.200 --> 01:03:59.329 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): gonna explore more about how to interact some of the inequities happening right here where I am. 533 01:04:02.130 --> 01:04:06.059 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): And then if you bike, you can drop those in the chat 534 01:04:06.160 --> 01:04:11.989 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): you can unmute and say goodbye. It's been such a joy to be with you all. I really really 535 01:04:12.200 --> 01:04:15.430 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): really value our times together. 536 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:17.990 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: and I'm so grateful we can do this. 537 01:04:20.670 --> 01:04:24.529 Karen McMillan | YINpreneur: Thank you so much. Everyone. 538 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:30.279 Beth Nelson: Thank you. 539 01:04:30.390 --> 01:04:32.240 Jayce (she/her): Thanks so much. 540 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:36.100 Constina: Thank you. 541 01:04:41.130 --> 01:04:48.639 Morty Lovebug: I thank you. Bye. 542 01:04:50.640 --> 01:05:03.819 Constina: thank you, Susanna. I just wanted to share out loud that I I host a community class here in Costa Rica, and what we've done. Talk about giving to some place local 543 01:05:04.060 --> 01:05:09.320 Constina: all the money that I receive. I get to a local family that's in need. Wow. 544 01:05:09.820 --> 01:05:11.480 Susanna Barkataki (she/her): that's so powerful. 545 01:05:14.110 --> 01:05:19.080 Constina: Yeah. And it's it's it's one of these things where you do it because it's selfless. It's it's 546 01:05:19.300 --> 01:05:24.530 Constina: other people have. So I just transfer the money to people who don't. 547 01:05:24.640 --> 01:05:29.749 Constina: That's simple, right? It can be. 548 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:33.209 Constina: anyway. Thank you so much for this. I really do appreciate you. 549 01:05:33.560 --> 01:05:36.220 Aine she/they: Thank you. I appreciate you. 550 01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:37.680 Constina: Alright. Bye.